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• CajunCenturion (Programmer) Jul 28, 2003 We've all been aware of the movement to more secure and convenient electronic voting systems, but this article suggests that we may not be ready, yet.
• I'm a resident of Louisiana, where we use mechanical voting machines. ...
• TANSTAAFL!! Genimuse (Programmer) Jul 29, 2003 Purely electronic systems will always be open to massive voting results manipulation with no ability to perform any kind of meaningful recount to verify the results. ...
• Here's a system that I've been recommending for years (as, I'm sure, have others): Voting is done electronically, via a touchscreen or similar system. Once the person is done voting s/he pushes a button that prints out a sheet containing his/her votes that is both human and machine readable. ...
• All of the advantages of electronic voting (except that you have to be there physically) and none of the serious potential pitfalls. ... sleipnir214 (Programmer) Jul 29, 2003 I don't see how that method is anything more than paper voting with a different kind of chad.
•   Otherwise all the fancy electronic voting methodolgy is a waste of time and money. ...
• My understanding was that many older mechanical voting machines recorded on a form of paper tape.   The paper tape rolls (fanfolds, what have you) left a physical record of the voting done at that machine. ...
• The only paper voting record made is that when I go to vote, I have to produce picture ID and a voter registration card. ...
• sleipnir214 said:I don't see how that method is anything more than paper voting with a different kind of chad.
• Perhaps you're unaware of the advantages of electonic voting. In this system (and all electronic voting) you can, among other things, ensure that the voter:.
• Selects the correct number of candidates for each position (no double-voting for President, for example),.

• Es fuehrt: "Voting in elections, searching reference books, distance.
• opinion polls, participation in electonic town-halls, obtaining.

• With the new VRES system for voting we can also let people decide exactly where their tax money is to be put by using categories pre-made or deleting certain ones and adding their own, then assigning percentages of their money to the resulting areas of a generated pie chart, they choose up to their 100% total. ...
• ELECTRONIC VOTING: It is time for people to be assured their vote is properly registered in the representation and functioning of their government. ...
• ) voting - - OR - -.
• to Review some Past Vote with their printed out "past-vote stub" info, received at that vote, (or by entering the approximate date voted to get to "their" electonic record of that vote); to verify their **vote #'s** and their choices in that election, and 3. ...
• The third option of the voting system (VRES), should be considered everyone's civic duty to select, at some later time after a vote, to validate each vote and check the 5 preceding and 5 following voters colors, thus those 10 voters validations that thier votes had been collected and reflected by the VRES system correctly. ...
• The only other thing to do, to bring some assurance of authenticity to the voting act would be an annually revolving peer selection process of computer service, programmers, engineers and network experts be selected and notified to come in, after being randomly picked (say about 2 weeks beforehand). They could arrive to inspect three or four days before the week of voting began to make sure the system was working well, then maintain it through the vote week. ...
• These inspectors could be randomly selected and elected from a large pool of peers 2 weeks before the beginning 1 week period of voting and inspect before and during vote (being paid handsomely for their part in our attempt to bring some degree of assurance that our vote was counting and that there was not fraudulent tampering). Then the next rotation of selected peers could come in one or two days after the last day of the 1 week voting period to inspect for a few days, also being paid handsomely for their time and effort.
• voting system.
• Then try another terminal or location site for gaining access to the VRES voting System. Thank you for your voting attempt. ...
• As they continued voting on all the Federal votes they would move on to all the *State* choices.
• SINGLE ITEM VOTING AND VOTER REFERENDUM VOTING ON SPECIAL ISSUES:(for U. ...
• Let the Congressmen stay in town longer and be held more accountable by voting on each Bill (issue) separately. ...
• FREEDOM DAY FOUNDING, the VRES electronic vote weeks & runoffs, voting rights and the **individual Voter assigned "pie" graph percentages** of each of their tax monies, or their weighted choices, of where the money for the Federal Budget is to be allocated :(for U. ...

• Diebold is the second largest, and fastest growing electronic voting corporation in the world, and produces touch screen voting stations used in 37 states in the country. Touch screen voting booths will sound familiar to many Californian voters because these were the same machines that were used throughout the state during the Oct. ...
• Diebold is the second largest, and fastest growing electronic voting corporation in the world, and produces touch screen voting stations used in 37 states in the country. Touch screen voting booths will sound familiar to many Californian voters because these were the same machines that were used throughout the state during the Oct. ...
• ” After the leak of the memos King County election chief, Dean Logan, vowed to resolve security issues, and in fact limited employee access to voting machines prior to the day of election.
• What was revealed independently by both Beverly  Harris (author of Black Box Voting, available online in pdf format here) and by the memos is a ridiculously easy way to tamper with the election results. ... In fact, according to Harris a voting activist named Jim March has made a CD to illustrate how easily this is done and to use it as a lobbying device against the present system of electronic voting.
• Another of the major complaints by electronic voting experts and computer scientists is the lack of auditing, or proof, that is done. ...   There can be no recount, and no proof of voting. ... The almost rhetorical question remains; why do the e-voting companies not improve their voting process significantly with the technology that is already there? .
• The issue of the secrecy of the source code used by Diebold and other e-voting corporations is another problem. ... The lack of transparency offered by Diebold in voting systems does not seem to apply to their own source codes and to more than a quarter million of Texas voters’ private information, including social security numbers and party affiliation, that were available for download from their web site.
• Electronic Voting Systems have a long, and problematic history. Chapter 2 in Beverly Harris’s book, Black Box Voting, details the many miscounts that have occurred since the advent of electronic voting. ...
• Electronic voting booths are supposed to be run through multiple tests, which Diebold claims to have completed. ...
• Events such as the electoral drama in Florida in the 2000 presidential race have influenced the general disillusionment regarding the indirect democracy afforded by voting. ...

• CALEA electonic wiretapping on unsecured Solaris boxes.
• Subject: CALEA electonic wiretapping on unsecured Solaris boxes.
• The story about the insecure Diebold electronic voting system recently .

• Electronic Voting Debacle By Scott Granneman, SecurityFocus Posted: 18/11/2003 at 11:51 GMT The Register Mobile: Find out what the fuss is about. ... Opinion Grave concerns over the security of electronic voting machines in the United States means the heart of American democracy is at risk, writes SecurityFocus columnist Scott Granneman. ...
• It seems that such a tool may now be gaining traction all over America: the electronic voting machine. ...
• One of the functions of the new law was to provide $4 billion for states to use in updating their often antiquated voting equipment. With federal money available, and the cautionary story of Florida as a warning, states began turning in droves to electronic voting machines. ...
• Georgia uses voting machines made by Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems throughout the state. ... 6 million deal with Diebold in July to supply the state with 11,000 voting machines. ...
• An election held in Houston just a few days ago was marred when election judges incorrectly set up twelve eSlate voting machines, resulting in a malfunction. ...
• The Oakland Tribune reported last week that several thousand voters in Alameda County used electronic voting machines made by Diebold that were never certified for use by state and county voting officials. ...
• After Rita Thompson, a school board member who lost a close race in Fairfax County, Virginia, complained, tests were performed on a WINvote machine made by Advanced Voting Solutions of Texas. ...
• Diebold had changed the software used by the voting machines seven or eight times, without anyone examining it, and then after the election the company immediately overwrote the flash memory of all the cards used by those machines, so it is now impossible to know what the vote counts really were. ...
• In March, someone broke into a Web server used by Diebold using an employee's ID number and copied thousands of messages posted to an online discussion board used internally by Diebold employees to discuss its voting machines, as well as actual code used in the voting machines. ...
• Some of his findings: it would be easy for an insider at Diebold to alter the system to affect voting results; since the source code is kept secret, this could be done without detection. ... All the voting machines use the same hard-coded passwords; in some cases, this password was set to "1111" (I think that's the sound of the collective jaws of security pros dropping to the floor). ...
• "Our analysis shows that this voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts. ...
• All voting systems must produce a voter-verified paper record which can be used during manual audits.

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• 3/2 x 3/2 = 9/4; and 3/2 So what? The measure electonic engineers use is: Signal/Noise. ...

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• >The story about the insecure Diebold electronic voting system recently .

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• What do you think about electronic voting?.
• Electronic voting was held for the first time in Japan on Sunday for mayoral and city assembly polls in Niimi, Okayama Prefecture. Voters inserted voting cards into the machines and touched the screens where the names candidates were. ...
• Personally, I wish online voting would be available in the future since I can vote in the election in my hometown while in Tokyo. ...
• "Electronic voting is certainly more efficient than the present system, but I cannot completely trust what machines do. ...
• "While the usual way of voting costs a lot in terms of manpower and time, electronic voting can save a lot. ... Anyway, I don't think changing the voting system will make a difference. ...
• Since a lot of people already have computers at home, I hope voting from homes will be possible in the future. Also, if voting from cell phones is available, voting rates will rise drastically. ...
• We are going into the information technology age, so electronic voting seems pretty natural. ...
• "I can't simply support the electronic voting system. It'll probably make voting rates rise considerably, but simultaneously it has the risk that only popular and famous people will be elected whether or not they know anything about politics. ...
• For people like me, the electronic voting system will be helpful. ...
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• These people must be commenting on some fantasy version of electronic voting. ...

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• Voting ReformIntroduction.
• Instant runoff voting.
• Voting machines.
• Some experts think so, as electonic voting has little or no audit trail.
• Critics of so-called direct recording electronic, or DRE, voting machines, most of which employ touch screens, are particularly concerned about the lack of a paper trail. ...
• A reader emailed us about Vote Watch (also mentioned in the article), which has detailed posting on voting irregularities from the recent elections, It is not reassuring reading.

• switch to Internet voting .
• Deal with voting problems first .
• Deal with voting problems first .
• Many states have difficulty satisfying the conflicting requirements of the Voting Rights Act and recent Supreme Court decisions declaring that race cannot be used as a primary factor when drawing districts. ...
• Many states and localities are considering replacing plurality elections and/or two-round runoffs with Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) as a way to obtain (or maintain) majority winners while reducing election costs and preventing low-turnout second elections. However, not all voting equipment can easily accommodate the ranked ballots that IRV requires. ...
• Yes -- if states use federal funds to purchase voting equipment, that equipment ought to be compatible with ranked ballots. ...
• THere is something wrong when the current system forces people into strategic voting rather than voting for whom they believe is the best candidate. ...
• Instant Runoff Voting would solve this. ...
• I would like to see voting go electronic via the Internet. ...
• This would not have been an issue with electonic voting. ...
• However, I am anxious to admit that I am not sure what would be the consequences, expecially when combined with instant runoff voting, although I find the prospect exciting. ...
• This question seems to be similar to #3, expecially when considering instant runoff voting. ...
• I would be interested in learning about the results of a pilot project that employs Instant Runoff Voting in a local election. ...

• Thom Hartmann: 'Want to win an election? Just control the voting machines'.
• Perhaps it's just a coincidence that the sudden rise of inaccurate exit polls happened around the same time corporate-programmed, computer-controlled, modem-capable voting machines began recording and tabulating ballots. ...
• You'd think in an open democracy that the government - answerable to all its citizens rather than a handful of corporate officers and stockholders - would program, repair, and control the voting machines. ... You'd think there would be a paper trail of the vote, which could be followed and audited if a there was evidence of voting fraud or if exit polls disagreed with computerized vote counts. ...
• Senator Chuck Hagel was the head of, and continues to own part interest in, the company that owns the company that installed, programmed, and largely ran the voting machines that were used by most of the citizens of Nebraska. ...
• Senate in 1996, his company's computer-controlled voting machines showed he'd won stunning upsets in both the primaries and the general election. ...
• What Hagel's website fails to disclose is that about 80 percent of those votes were counted by computer-controlled voting machines put in place by the company affiliated with Hagel. ...
• While many in Georgia expected a big win by Cleland, the computerized voting machines said that Chambliss had won. ...
• "The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which all other rights are protected," wrote Thomas Paine over 200 years ago. ...
• These corporations are taking over America, and they just about have control of our voting machines. ...
• As all this comes to light, many citizens and even a few politicians are wondering if it's a good idea for corporations to be so involved in the guts of our voting systems. ...
• Many citizens believe, however, that turning the programming and maintenance of voting over to private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their owners, officers, and stockholders, puts democracy itself at peril. ...
• When Bev Harris and The Hill's Alexander Bolton pressed the Chief Counsel and Director of the Senate Ethics Committee, the man responsible for ensuring that FEC disclosures are complete, asking him why he'd not questioned Hagel's 1995, 1996, and 2001 failures to disclose the details of his ownership in the company that owned the voting machine company when he ran for the Senate, the Director reportedly met with Hagel's office on Friday, January 25, 2003 and Monday, January 27, 2003. ...
• • Bob Fitrakis: 'Diebold, electronic voting and the vast right-wing conspiracy'.
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• Verified VotingA site dedicated to the problem of electonic voting machines and what to do to assure fair elections. Where's the Paper Trail for Each Ballot Cast?: A Web Site Dedicated to Verifiable Election ResultsAnother site on the very pressing issue of electronic voting. ... Also includes the "Fraudulent Voting Machine. ... on electronic voting. ...

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• Reassurances by San Diego County Registrar of Voters Sally McPherson to the contrary, there still seems to be substantial public concern over the sanctity of Tuesday’s voting process. Anecdotal tales of voting stations shut down by computer glitches and voters turned away without an adequate idea of where to go and vote continue to trickle in to the media and elected officials (with more than a few such tales being reported by readers of this blog.
• A Voting We Will Go .
• Concerns over the electronic security of voting machines seem misplaced – there is absolutely no evidence that ballots actually cast were in anyway manipulated (though the 39% of the vote Gary Coleman got in the Mayor’s race seems a bit high. ) And complaints by those who voted that they didn’t receive a printed verification of their voting rings a bit hollow – we never got those off the old punch-card ballots anyway. At least, I could never tell whose chad I’d dimpled when looking at the ballot before it was tucked away into the voting box by the election staffers. ...
• The big issue is how many voters simply gave up when confronted with additional obstacles to voting Tuesday. ...
• We also have the Bethlehem system of voting in California and across the US where, like Mary and Joseph returning home for census, we must return to our home precincts to vote rather than being able to cast a ballot at any convenient location. ...
• Add to this that voting is absurdly on Tuesdays in the middle of the work week (where many countries make it a civic holiday) and it’s a wonder turnout is as high as it is. ...
• I expected to see at least one senior citizen going on about the new voting machine as if he had been shot, robbed or some secret plot was against him via the new voting machne. ... Old geezer was complaining, shouting, pointing as I walked into the garage and was still doing it while I was voting and after I had finishe voting and left. ...
• "And complaints by those who voted that they didn’t receive a printed verification of their voting rings a bit hollow – we never got those off the old punch-card ballots anyway. ...
• No, punch card voting makes my complaint ring true. ...
• Either we have to trust the electronic voting system or not. All voting systems have some degree of inaccuracies, problems, and disenfranchisement. Electronic voting systems (EVS) have the least potential problems, and adding a printed "record" only adds cost and reassures a small group of people. ...

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•    Voting system among county finalists blasted in study - cincypost.
• Voting Machine Study Divides Md. ... html For some in Maryland, the report yesterday by Johns Hopkins University computer security experts that electronic voting machines could easily be hacked into set off alarm bells. ... 6 million agreement to put the units in every voting precinct by March, the report is one more example of "technological hysteria. ... Kagan, a former delegate who opposed using electronic voting machines. ...
• And it all has to do with technology, which is supposed to end problems like those Florida voters had when confronted by the "butterfly ballots" used in obsolete mechanical voting machines. ... The vote-counting problems were so embarrassing that many electoral jurisdictions started seriously investigating computerized voting terminals, and quite a few have already ordered a number of these machines for all sorts of use, from local municipal elections to the big one in November, 2004. ... The source code for the software used in one voting machine was discovered on the Internet, on an unprotected FTP site belonging to Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems Inc. ... Bev Harris, a journalist and social activist, promptly detailed its faults in a book called Black Box Voting. ...
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• Input sought on voting system Kaptur asks key critic to attend forumBy FRITZ WENZELBLADE POLITICAL WRITERU. ... , Toledo) has invited an author of a study criticizing the software security measures in electronic voting machines manufactured by Diebold Elections Systems, Inc. ... Rubin and three other researchers found flaws in an old source code once used by Diebold that they contend could leave the company’s voting systems open to fraud. ...
• She is too busy closing libraries and telling everyone how great the voting systems are here. ...
• I really don't know much about Diebold other than they sell voting machines. ...

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• AFP: Voting begins in hotly contested Georgian parliamentary contest.
• The Electonic Telegraph (UK): Francis Harris, Russia building a Czechbase .
• significant impact on the voting process,'' Central Electoral Commission head .
• Mykhailo Ryabets told state television in early afternoon, saying voting was .
• Results of the voting for a total field of 13 candidates, in which incumbent .
• headquarters had already received reports of voting procedure violations. ...
• Valentin, an unemployed man voting for Symonenko. ...
• Voting closes at 8 p. ...
• Voting begins in hotly contested Georgian parliamentary contest.
• TBILISI, Oct 31 (AFP) - Voting began Sunday in Georgia's parliamentary .
• The voting was due to end at 8:00 p. ...
• Europe are monitoring the voting.
• The Electonic Telegraph (UK).

• After the 2000 Florida election debacle forever tainted the reputation of punch-card voting with its infamous hanging chads, there's been a national movement afoot to replace antiquated voting machines with new computerized, touch-screen versions. ... com, she lays bare the myriad of flaws that plague computer voting. ... And Harris isn't the only one getting in on this story: salon also reports on the contentious and circus-like atmosphere of the IEEE's proceedings to create technical standards for electronic voting machines, where the participants are arguing, among other things, over whether machines should be mandated to provide a verifiable paper audit trail to enhance security. Uhh, hey guys: that'd probably be a good idea, don't you think?Even though electonic voting still has obvious problems, it's spreading quickly as the top choice to replace punch-cards. ... In the meanwhile, more than 900 computer professionals have recently signed a petition urging that all touch-screen voting systems include a voter- verifiable audit trail, and study after study by computer security experts are showing that we still have a long ways to go before we can count on those touch screens to be accurate. ...

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