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Talk:Canada

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Some talking is on Talk:History of Canada.


Canada has vast deposits of natural gas on the East Coast and in the three western provinces, and has the largest proven oil reserves in the world.

Canada does not have the largest proven oil reserves in the world, not even by a long shot. According to The Institute of Petroleum, Canada ranks 15th. Perhaps the author meant natural gas, but even then I think Russia ranks ahead of Canada.


I changed this article to follow the guidelines set out at WikiProject Countries. However, I removed a large amount of (good) text that was just too detailed for this page; it should be moved to more appropriate locations (mostly History, and Québec, maybe a separate article on Québecois separatism?). I left the Canadian culture section open, ditto for the holidays table, hoping you Canadians (there's several of you would fix that for me). Please go ahead! Jeronimo

OH, and could somebody resize the coat of arms to a 125 pixel width? My imaging program's expired and I'm too lazy to get another one...sorry.


re: "In the second half of the 20th century, the French-speaking province of Quebec has sought independence, but two referenda have been defeated, albeit marginally in the last case (50.6% was against independence)"

...shouldn't it say "factions within the province" have sought independence or something like that? - stewacide 19:49 Dec 20, 2002 (UTC)

Absolutely it should....Elliot

...Given the obfuscation practiced by the separatists and the wording of the referendum (which did not mention independence), its hard to say what Quebeckers thought they were voting for in the referendum. The soft separatists probably thought that they were voting for a better deal for Quebec within Confedration. A vote for independence was more how the rest of Canada and the hard-core separatists saw the vote. I'm not sure how to rephrase the statement. Edmilne 20:23, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)


The Statute of Westminster is a pretty obscure piece of British legislation. Though it is taught for all of five seconds in Canadain high schools, nobody really pays it any notice and it is not commemerated by anybody except maybe wistfully by the Monarchist Club. The British North America Act(1867) is usually the date given for the founding of Canada as an independant country. And an arguement could be made for the Constitution Act(1982)which finally removed the right for appeal to the British Privy Council for criminal cases. Even now the Head of State appointed by the Queen of England can disolve Parliament and force an election. The First Nations still have treaties with the British Crown because of treaties entered into before July 1st 1867. When the Canadain government fails in its treaty responsibilities Natives still press their case in Westminster. I don't think that it has a stronger claim than 1867. Two16 06:47 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)


So Canada, "despite its immense size ... is mostly harmless"? What's that supposed to mean? I'm not sure if it's a joke, or perhaps was written by someone whose English is deficient who meant something that is unclear from the sentence? Michael Hardy 01:22 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

Whatever the explanation, I don't think it's very meaningful. I've removed it. --Camembert

It's a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference. Are you people illiterate or something? ;) Not appropriate here, certainly. --Brion 01:29 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

I knew that really. You must think I'm illiterate or something ;) --Camembert

Contrary to popular net opinion, not having read THHGTTG is not a sign of illiteracy... -- Tarquin

Thanks, Brion, for enlightening us illiterates. I used to listen to the radio show occasionally, but I haven't read the book, and had no idea that Wikipedia was mentioned in it. 131.183.81.100 00:51 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)


Does anyone know of a place to get a better map of Canada than the one on this page? I've looked at gc.ca, and not found much. We need something that shows provincial boundaries and is up to date to include Nunavut. matt 01:02 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)


I hate to be a downer, but I don't think we can use the map. Check the copyright notice on the site at http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/notice_e.html . One is allowed to use the map, for non-commercial purposes only, but I don't believe that is compatible with the GFDL. Someone could sell a copy of the Wikipedia on CD-ROM (of course, it would still be under the GFDL and free-as-in-freedom and all those good things). What's everyone's take on this? I think the Canadian rules differ (unfortunately) from the American ones, which seem to place most materials into the public domain. Dze27

I've just written into the the apropriate email alias to request permission to use the image given Wikipedia policy. If anyone can find a similar quality map in the public domain, I say replace it...but the previous map was sorely lacking. matt 04:31 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

OK. Hopefully they'll say yes. I work at a different Canadian government department but I'm not sure how much leeway there is (we have the same policy). Hopefully they'll let us use it since it's colorful and up-to-date. The .gif does identify NRC as the source department, and we're not representing it as official. We can't really guarantee that all "Users exercise due diligence in ensuring the accuracy of the materials reproduced" though... Dze27

Don't sweat, folks. According to Wikipedia:Copyright:

Wikipedia articles may include images, sounds, or other similar material from external sources with different copyright terms, and which is used with permission or under "fair use" doctrine. In this case, the material will be identified as from an external source (on the image description page, history page, or talk page as appropriate) and copyright holders of that material retain their rights and you must comply with the separate copyright terms for that material.
- Montréalais


"Eastern Canada is mountainous"? Did something get removed in editing here?Jfitzg


The deleter (217.81.32.129) of Canada came from Germany via Deutsche Telekom


Though the term is rarely used nowadays, Canada's legal name continues to be "The Dominion of Canada." It is established as such in the constitution, and the title has never been formally revoked. user:J.J.

This is true. However, the Canadian government, Canadian citizens and other reference works don't use that name. Thus, I'd say that the official-but-unused "Dominion of Canada" should be mentioned in the article, but not used as a heading for the table. -- Stephen Gilbert 18:26 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
 
I checked Peter Hogg's standard work Constitutional Law in Canada and he states in sec. 5.1(e) that the use of Dominion of Canada was chipped away by the Federal government in the 1930s. If you check any laws or official Canadian web sites it is called Canada, not Dominion of Canada -- that is officially an archaic use and inaccurate. As far as the Constitution is concerned it mentions the work Dominion but nowhere is the name Dominion of Canada used in the Constitution, the law that created the independent country of Canada is called "The Canada Act" (U.K.) (1982), not "The Dominion of Canada Act" thus the British Parliament put the final nail in the Dominion name when the Constitution was patriated. -- Alex756 08:35 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

I've had this argument before. As Alex correctly states, D.o.C. used to be the official name, but is not any more. The full, complete name of Canada is Canada. - Montréalais

According to William Thorsell in today's Globe we are still the Dominion of Canada. I looked it up in the 1982 constitution and he is right, there is no change of name. (And the name of the 'Canada Act' doesn't mean anything Canada's official name after 1867 wasn't British North America) SimonP 18:49 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

There is a lot of blather about this, some of it even on the Government of Canada website.

Stephen Harper, not particularly bright, even claimed the official name is Federal State of the Dominion of Canada [1].

The actual text of the British North America Act actually says very clearly what is the case. The "Name" is "Canada." The term "Dominion" refers to the type of country it is (i.e. a euphemism for kingdom)

3. It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, to declare by Proclamation that, on and after the passing of this Act, the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada; and on and after that Day those Three Provinces shall form and be One Dominion under that Name accordingly.(4) 

4. Unless it is otherwise expressed or implied, the Name Canada shall be taken to mean Canada as constituted under this Act.(5) 

The reason why we have this problem is not just that the wording was confusing. Legally speaking, the name was never Dominion of Canada. Simply, the monarchists amongst us have pushed us to use that term for such a long time. Think of such background parts of the constitution as somehow not law, but really just a document reflecting political positions, not absolutes. In this case, we are simply tossing around the monarchist vs. republic debate in an edge case, the "name" of the country; just like the stupid question about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin was an edge case to prove or disprove the effective power of god. Eventually we dropped the usage because it was impolitic; the monarchists are losing slowly.

But if you want to be legal, the name of the country is "Canada." If you want to be accurate, explain how and why the history of the country changed what it called itself. It's a good reflection of who we are. The title "Dominion" was even chosen by the British over our objections so as to not offend the Americans with our loyalism. -- SunirShah (64.229.25.227 )


"Prime Minister, who is the leader of the political party that holds the most seats in the House of Commons"

As I undertand it, the PM is the person who has the confidence of the Commones to run the government. In practice, this is the leader of the largest party but doesn't have to be. A combination of smaller parties or a brakdown in party discipline could produce a PM who is not the leader of the largest party. User: edmilne 23:47 May 21, 2003


Table of contents
1 Juno Beach Centre
1.1 Water amount
2 HTML code artifact
3 Greenland is further north
4 Re: my last edit
5 2nd or 3rd largest
6 Oil reserves in Canada
7 Juno Beach Centre
8 Canadas size
9 Four provinces joined in Confederation.

Juno Beach Centre

Why is Juno Beach Centre include in this article? What's its national importance? There are thousands of other memorial sites in Canada. I don't object to it staying, but what do others think? --Menchi 00:57 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I agree it doesn't realy fit. That and the Vimmy Ridge memorial should be linked to from the Military of Canada article. - stewacide

I've moved it to Calvados, after five months. --Menchi 06:02, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Water amount

Moved from article:

Canada has one-half of the world's fresh water.

A (Canadian) friend of mine pointed this sentence out to me. It's completely inaccurate. "Common knowledge" is that Canada has one-fifth of the world's fresh water supply, actual knowledge is that it's half THAT, and possibly even as low as ~6%. -- nknight 21:08 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Both guesstimations are close.
20% in all; 7% renewable.
(Source: Environment Canada's fact # 17.)
--Menchi 21:51 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)


HTML code artifact

In both IE6 & Mozilla, it shows <TD>Statutory. right above the Holiday table, but I can't find what's wrong in the table. --Menchi 22:34 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Corrected. One of > sign before a "Statutory" is absent in the html. Wshun

Greenland is further north

I think Greenland is the northernmost country in North America, not Canada. P3d0 21:03, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Greenland is not a country, but a self-governing territory of Denmark. -- Stephen Gilbert

And I don't think Greenland is considered part of North America. - Efghij 22:46, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Well, you're free to think that, but a Google search shows that some consider it part of North America. As for the "country" thing, perhaps you're right, but it seems significant to me that the northernmost point in North America is not in Canada, but in Greenland. P3d0 12:51, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Oh, here is a map.

Well some consider it part of North America, some consider it part of Europe, some consider it part of the "North Atlantic", etc. The northernmost point on the actual contenent (as oppossed to any arbitrarily diffined "region") is Boothia Peninsula in Canada. - Efghij 16:43, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

You mean on the mainland I suppose. That would be like excluding Iceland when determining the westernmost country in Europe. I suppose it depends on exactly what claim you want to make.

For the record, Boothia Peninsula in Canada is at 71 degrees 58 minutes north latitude, just edging out Point Barrow in Alaska at 71 degrees 18 minutes. Cape Columbia in Canada is at 83 degrees 7 minutes, while Cape Morris Jesup in Greenland is at 83 degrees 39 minutes. So while Canada may be the northernmost country in North America (at least until Greenland's 2005 referendum), Greenland arguably contains North America's northernmost point. P3d0 13:19, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

If you're so hung up about this, I guess there's no harm in having a footnote saying something like: "Greenland, an overseas territory (or whatever) of Denmark sometimes considered part of North America, reaches farther north than Canada's northernmost point". - Efghij 23:25, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well, when you put it that way, it does sound kind of silly I guess. Plus, the fact that the current text is technically correct, really makes this moot. So I give up. Thanks for humouring me. :-) P3d0 16:06, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)


The name "Canada" in different languages no longer appears at the bottom of the page. Anyone know how to fix this? Edmilne 11:05, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah they do. --Menchi 11:07, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I see them now. Since they appear after the menu at the bottom of the page, they do not show when you do a preview of an edited page. So I assumed that this also applied to the main page. Edmilne 02:56, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)


I was reading this page and thinking that the official date of independence should be changed to April 17th, 1982, as that was the day the Queen came to Canada to give her consent to the Canada Act 1982. SD6-Agent 03:07, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Re: my last edit

The current formatting is the standard prescribed as Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. If we are to change it here, we must also change it on the country template and everywhere. The new formatting used, however, is problematic for countries with mixed presidential-parliamentary systems where there is no clear-cut head of state and head of government. There's nothing wrong with the current format. --Jiang 18:54, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Discussion continued at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Continued from Talk:Canada.

2nd or 3rd largest

The article claims that Canada has the second largest land area, after Russia. I thought China was ahead of Canada. The CIA world factbook lists China's land area as 9,326,410 km^2 and Canada's as 9,093,507 km^2. Is the wiki page incorrect? Based on the CIA's numbers Canada would be second in TOTAL area, but third in LAND area.

Oil reserves in Canada

There are 311 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the Alberta oil sands compared to 240 billion barrels in Saudi Arabia. Canada as a whole has 366 billion barrels of recoverable oil. The total amount of oil reserves in Alberta alone,which is oil that is recoverable and that which is not currntly economically recoverable is in the range of 1.5 to 2.5 trillion barrels.

Juno Beach Centre

The Juno Beach Centre is more than just a memorial,its a museam, its located in Normandy,very close to the beach where Canadian soldiers landed on D-Day.Its national importance is in displaying the role that Canadas military played during world war 2.

Canadas size

The total area of Canada is 2nd in the world. The ranking of 3rd comes when the area of the inland water is not included,although that is usually included in the area of a nation.

I don't think so. According to the CIA World Factbook, the United States has a land size of 9,158,960 sq km, making Canada 4th after subtracting inland water.

Four provinces joined in Confederation.

In the history article,it says that at the time of confederation,three provinces joined,but it was actually four that joined on July 1,1867: New Brunswick,Nova Scotia,Ontario,Quebec.

The article is correct: three provinces agreed to Confederation: (1) Canada, (2) Nova Scotia, and (3) New Bruswick. On the same day as Confederation, the Province of Canada was divided into two provinces, Ontario and Quebec, so on and after that date there were four provinces in the Dominion of Canada.--Indefatigable 19:48, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Besides it was three colonies that joined together and became four provinces, as stated in the article. GreatWhiteNortherner 20:11, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

Canada was independent before 1982. The repatriation of the constitution while important, was really a formality. As well the Statute of Westminister of 1931 put on paper what was already reality,that Canada made its own desicions,as shown in Canadas refusal to send troops for the planned capture of Turkish ports in the 1920,s. As well Canada signed the Versailles treaty ending ww1 for itself and held its own seat in the League of Nations. The sacrifice made by Canada during ww1 pushed Canada into more true independence than any piece of paper. Even during ww1,Field Marshall Haig would ask General Currie to take on an attack rather than just order him as he would a British general,and Currie would reply to him in a manner that a British officer would not dare to. Even Australia refused to allow the British to execute any of its soldiers.

The northernmost point on the North American mainland is Point Zenith,on the Boothia Peninsula at 72 degrees 1 minute.

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